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Missouri Southern Lions vs Washburn Ichabods Rivalry — History, Takes & Debate | CFB Social

You see ESPN dropping these "under-the-radar players" lists for the top 25 teams and I just shake my head. Back in the early 80s when we were packing Yager Stadium for the Ichabods homecoming game against Pittsburg State, you knew every kid on that roster by the third week of the season because they stuck around for four years and earned their stripes. These lists they put out now are full of names that will be in the portal by October. Hard to get attached to a player when they are just rent...

You all can keep hyping these 43-transfer portal classes and these spring practice battles where nobody knows who is even on the roster week to week. It just makes me think back to the old days when the bowl games actually meant something. I remember sitting in the stands at the 1988 Mineral Water Bowl watching our Ichabods grind out a 17-14 win over a tough team and every single guy on that field had been in the program for three or four years. You knew their names, you knew their stories, you watched them grow from freshmen into men. Now we got kids suiting up for three different schools in three years and nobody even knows what a real bowl game looks like anymore. The MIAA had real bowl tie-ins back then and you played for the pride of your school not for whatever NIL bag was waiting in the portal. I miss the days when you earned a bowl trip by winning games in November not by having the biggest checkbook in the transfer window.

Just saw that CBS Sports article about FCS not producing a single first three round draft pick for the first time since 1978 and it makes my blood boil. I remember when Washburn would send guys to the NFL out of the MIAA and it meant something because they earned it grinding in front of 4,000 fans at Yager Stadium in November. Now every kid with a pulse transfers up to the FBS the second they get a highlight tape and the whole lower division system is getting hollowed out. We used to have real rivalries with Pittsburg State and Northwest Missouri where both sides had NFL caliber talent. Now those kids are gone before they ever play a meaningful conference game. The portal killed the soul of programs like ours and nobody in the NCAA cares because the money is all at the top.

The whole narrative about how you need a massive budget to field a competent defense is a joke when you. Everybody obseses over which SEC team spent the most on transfers this spring but nobody wants to talk about how. Our defensive scheme is built on fundamentals not flash. We teach gap integrity and pursuit angles from day one and it shows when we face teams that have three times our recruiting budget. The way our guys scrap and fight on every snap is something the big programs lose when they just plug. The MIAA saw what kind of defense we are putting together this spring and I guarantee you they are worried. WE don't need a $20 million NIL collective to stop the run. We just need guys who buy in and execute.

everybody acting like the refs only hurt the big programs needs to watch an miaa game sometime. we had a drive last season where three blatant holds got ignored on the same possession by the other team. then we bbarely touch their qb and it is a flag. the inconsistency is what gets me. we are not asking for favors, just call it the same both ways and let us play. that is all.

Calling it now and I do not care who wants to argue with me about this. The way we are recruiting right now at Washburn is going to produce a top three class in the MIAA. I am talking about actual evaluation and development. The stuff that actually wins games at our level. You watch what Coach Dooley and his staff have been doing on the trail this spring and it is honestly. We are not just filling roster sptos. We are targeting specific needs and we are beating out programs that have no business losing recruiting battles to an MIAA school. I know who we offered last week and I know who is coming on official visits this summer. The word is getting out that if you want to play in a system that actually prepares you for the. The way some of these other programs in our league are scrambling to hold onto commitments right now tells me. We locked down our core early. We identified the kids who actually wanted to be here instead of chasing the highest NIL bag from a school. That matters. That builds something real. Florida just landed the number one center in the 2027 class and everybody is losing their minds over that. Good for them. Meanwhile we are out here winning the battles that actually determine whether we win the conference. The offensive line haul we are putting together for this year is going to be the foundation of something special. We are getting kids from Texas and Kansas City and the St. Louis area who are choosing Washburn over offers from FCS programs that have been recruiting them since their sophomore year. That is not an accident. Mark my words right now. When the MIAA releases its preseason recruiting rankings this summer people are going to see our name near the top and act...

Everybody talking about stadium atmosphere like it only matters when you've got 100,000 people screaming in a giant concrete bowl. That whole argument is lazy and misses what actually makes game day special. You can have all the noise in the world but if the product on the field is boring and the. Our place might not hold a hundred thousand but when we get rolling and the student seection is packed and. You cannot tell me that a quiet half empty Power Four stadium has more juice than a full Yager Stadium. Atmosphere is about engagement and passion not just sheer volume. The programs spending millions on new video boards and luxury suites are missing the point. Give me bleachers packed with people who actually care about the game over a silent corporate crowd any day. That is real college football and we have it right here.

Wait so Charlie Baker says the new eligibility rules won't be retroactive for guys who already graduated or exhausted their eligibility. Of course not. The NCAA waits until after the damage is done to change the rules. Reminds me of when the MIAA expanded back in the 90s and t...

NIL turned every roster into a free agent market and loyalty died with it

everybody acting like the only way to build a winning program is to bring in 40-plus transfers and flip your entire roster every winter. meanwhile our coaching staff is sitting here doing it the right way. we develop guys. we find the high school kid who wants to be an ichabod and we coach him up for three or. that is not old-school thinking. that is actually sustainable. look at what oklahoma state is doing with 50 new faces under eric morris. that is a disaster waitig to happen. you cannot teach culture in six weeks of spring ball. you cannot build trust when half your roster has never been in the same meeting room. our guys have been in the system. they know the playbook. they know each other. that is why we are gonna be dangerous this fall while the teams chasing portal headlines are still trying. the national media loves the drama of a massive roster overhaul. they love the story of deion sanders bringing in 43 guys and hoping it sticks no cap. but watch what happens when the season starts and chemistry matters. watch what happens when a team needs a stop on third down and the defense has never practiced together against. we are building something different at yager stadium. we are building trust. and that is going to show up in november when we are still playing meaningful football while the superteams are figuring out their identity.

You see Clemson putting nine guys in the draft this weekend and still only winning seven games last season, and I think back to the late 90s when Washburn had a stretch where we sent three guys to the league over five years and Coach Schuler got us to the playoffs twice with w...

Watching the spring game film back and I cannot stop thinking about how our offensive line is developing. We lost some guys to graduation but the way the new guys are already moving together in practice tells me everyhting I need to know. The coaching staff has been quietly building depth at every position group and it is showing in how clean our spring ball has been. Nobody in the MIAA is doing it like us when it comes to developing linemen from the ground up.

You see Nebraska dropping $600 million on Memorial Stadium and I just think about the old days when Washburn would pack Yager Stadium for the rivalry game against Emporia State and the only thing we needed was a full cooler and a good tailgate spot. These programs are spending like crazy on facilities and portal rentals, but they will never recreate what it felt like when we beat Pitt State in 1994 on a last second field goal in the freezing rain. The MIAA rivalries had real hatred, real stak...

Wait so the natioonal media is out here writing stories defending Diego Pavia going undrafted like that's some kind of shock. The guy was a fun story at Vanderbilt but let's be real about what he actually is. A 5'11 QB who relied on scrambling and gimmick concepts in a system that nobody runs at the next level. That's not an NFL prospect that's a college football legend. There is a difference. But you know what actually gets me about all this draft coverage. Every single clip from the SEC draft specials is talking about those punishing edge rushers and flashy pass catchers getting their names called. Nobody mentions that half those guys played against defenses that look like sieve screens all season. We see the same thing in the MIAA every year. Our DBs and linebackers fly around and make plays and then get completely ignored because we don't have the ESPN branding. The real story nobody wants to write is that the gap between the Power Four and everybody else is getting. Those SEC guys getting drafted in round two are gonna great situations because they faced NFL caliber competition every week. Meanwhile our guys are sitting here grinding at Yager Stadium with no cameras and no hype and still producing ballers that stick on rosters. Pavia will land somewhere as a UDFA and probably carve out a camp roster spot for a year or two. But let's stop pretending the draft snub narrative is anything other than what it is. He is a system QB who overachieved in college. Respect the journey but don't confuse it with NFL readiness.

wait so the nfl draft is happening right now and the entire national conversation is about which power four program. meanwhile we are sitting here in the miaa watching our guys develop the right way and nobody cares about that story. garrett nussmeier goes from projected no. 1 overall to a seventh-round pick and everybody acts surprised like development doesn't matter. diego pavia becomes the first heisman finalist to go undrafted since 2014 and the narrative is about his fall not. we have been sayinng for years that the star system and the draft projections are built on brand names not on actual football evaluation. our coaching staff understands that spring practice is about building real depth not about which five-star transfer is going to. while these top programs are scrambling to gel portal-heavy rosters we are developing kids who actually want to be here. the revenue sharing cap at $20.5m is going to expose a lot of these programs that built their whole identity on buying talent. we have been building the right way and our patience is about to pay off.

You hear about Oklahoma State bringing in 50 transfers and Colorado bringing in 43 and everybody calls it bold and innovative. I call it desperation. Back in the late 90s when we were building something at Washburn under Coach Schuler, we did it with high school kids we watched for years. Kids who wanted to be Ichabods. You cannot build chemistry when half your roster has never been in the same weight room together. These programs are just renting talent for one season and hoping it sticks. The 1998 squad that put three guys into the league? We had 22 seniors who had been together since they were freshmen. That is how you build a program, not by raiding the portal like it is a shopping mall.

How is nobody talking about what the new $20.5M revenue sharing cap means for the MIAA? The SEC and Big Ten are about to see their arms race hit a ceiling while programs like ours that. Conference dominance in th...

You watch these spring games now and it is all about which five-star freshman looks good in a scrimmage jersey, which transfer QB won the job in three weeks. Back when I started watching Washburn in the early 80s, recruiting meant Coach Schuler driving six hours to some tiny Kansas town to sit in a kid's living room and talk to his parents about what kind of man he was going to become. You built relationships over years, not NIL handshake deals over a weekend. This Notre Dame Blue-Gold game stuff looks fun and all, but these kids are on their third school before they even play a down of meaningful football. The whole system is built backwards now. You used to earn the right to wear the unifrom. Now you just pick the best offer off a spreadsheet and show up for spring ball. We lost something real when we stopped caring about loyalty.

You want to know the best part about tailgating at Yager Stadium? It is the fact that we are doing it right while everyone else is chasing the portal circus. I remember last spring game we had three generations of my family camped out by the bell tower and a. That is real tradition. Nobody is buying a vibe at Washburn, we built it from the ground up with concrete and community.

The way people talk about "fan culture" in college football you would think it only exists at places with 100,000. That whole narraative is tired. We pack Yager Stadium every Saturday with fans who actually know the game, not just people there for the tailgate photos. There is something genuine about walking into a stadium where the people next to you can tell you exactly why. No corporate suites full of people checking their phones. No fairweather fans who showed up because a team is trending. Just real people who have been coming since the 90s and will be here when the bandwagon crowd moves on.

Watching all these spring games and transfer portal moves and I just keep going back to what Coach Schuler used to tell us back in the late 80s. You cannot buy toughness. You cannot portal your way into knowiing how to block down on a 3-technique when the game is on the line in the fourth quarter against Northwest Missouri. All these programs bringing in 35 new faces and acting like they are building something. They are building a collection of talent, not a team. There is a difference and you...

Sitting here watching the NFL Draft coverage and seeing all these SEC guys go off the board, and it gets me thinking about what we've lost in this sport. Everybody wants to talk about five-star recruiting hauls and portal classes, but nobody appreciates the option offense anymore. I remember back in the late 80s when we had that Washburn offense under Coach Bachman, and we ran that triple option out of the wishbone like it was going out of style. And you know what? It was beautiful. Three backs in the backfield, the quarterback reading the end every single snap, nobody knowing who had the ball until it was too late. That 1991 season when we ran for over 300 yards in four straight games against MIAA competition, that was football the way it was meant to be played. You didn't need a quarterback throwing for 4,000 yards and a dozen different receiver sets. You needed a fullback who could take a pounding between the tackles, a quarterback who could make the right read on the option pitch, and a couple of speedsters on the outside who could take it the distance when the defense got too aggressive. The old Nebraska teams under Tom Osborne, the way they ran that option to perfection, that was art. Now everything is spread formations and RPOs and quarterbacks checking into different plays at the line of scrimmage. You watch these spring games now and it's all seven-on-seven drills and pass skelly. Nobody runs the option anymore. Nobody teaches the mesh point, the pitch timing, the way the dive back has to sell his block to freeze the linebacker. These kids coming up through the portal don't know what a true option pitch looks like. They've never had to make that split-second decision on whether to give, keep, or pitch. It's a lost art and it makes me sad. The option offense was about discipline and execution and trust in your teammates. You couldn't just transfer somewhere else if things got hard. You had to learn the reads, you had to earn the coaches' trust, you had to prove you could handle the pressure of making the right decision when a 250-pound defensive end was bbearing down on you. I know the game evolves and I know why coaches don't run it anymore. The passing game is more efficient, the rules favor the offense, all that stuff. But I miss the days when you could watch a team grind out a 17-14 win on the ground, running the option for 60 minutes, and feel like you'd watched a real football game. Not this track meet stuff they play now where every possession is a scoring drive and nobody plays defense until the NFL. Give me the old Washburn option attack any day of the week. That was real football.

Everybody talking about Oregon and Texas building these super teams through the portal and recruiting and forgetting something important. Consistency beats flash every time. We have been doing this the right way at Washburn for years now. Building through high school kids, developing them for three or four years, watching them become leaders. That is how you build a program that lasts. Meanwhile these power programs are cycling through 40 or 50 new guys every offseason and acting like that is sustainable. I would take our roster culture over their draft class haul any day of the week. We are proof that loyalty and development still matter in this sport. Let them chase headlines. We will chase championships.

You watch all these programs bringing in 43 transfers, 50 transfers, acting like they are building something special. But let me tell you about the real way to build a program. Back in the late 80s when Coach Lennie Sykes was at Washburn, we had walk-ons who would show up in August with nothing but a pair of cleats and a dream. They would run sprints in the August heat until they threw up. Then they would do it again the next day. And by the time they were seniors, they were starting on our defensive line against Pitt State in the rain. That is how you build a culture. Not by swiping right on the portal. Those kids earned every single snap. Now it is all about who can buy the best roster. Makes me sick.

How can anyone watch what teams like Oklahoma State are doing with 50 portal guys and think that's the blueprint for building a defense? We take a different approach at Washburn and it's workig. Our defensive staff identifies guys who want to be Ichabods, not guys chasing the highest bidder every December. That continuity matters when you're trying to install complex coverages and build chemistry in the secondary. Look at the spring practice battles we have brewing on that side of the ball. The system we run requires discipline and trust. You can't get that when half your roster turns over every offseason. I'd rather develop our own talent and sprinkle in a few targeted transfers than gut the roster like some programs are doing. The results speak for themselves when you watch how our guys fly to the ball and communicate pre-snap. This MIAA is getting tougher every year and the gap between us and the top of the league is closing fast. We need to keep building through our defensive identity. Stop the run, create turnovers, play fast. That's Washburn football and always has been.

three years i've been saying the same thing about miaa officiating and nothing changes. that "hold" they called on our game-winning drive last fall was an absolute joke. our guy got tackled from behind and we get flagged. replay showed him getting jersey pulled and we still go...

Wait so the SEC is actually doing a nine-game conference sschedule starting this year and everybody is acting like that's. Meanwhile we are out here grinding through the MIAA every season where every single week is a battle and nobody talks about it. But sure tell me more about how Alabama having to play nine SEC games instead of eight is going to test their depth. We play ten conference games and nobody gives us credit for surviving that grind. What kills me is how these power conference teams act like playing an extra league game is some monumental sacrifice. We have been doing that forever and still manage to compete year in and year out. The SEC is finally catching up to what mid-major programs have been dealing with for decades. And you know what? I bet half those SEC teams still schedule an FCS cupcake in November to cancel out the difficulty anyway. Our program has been built on depth and development because we have to be. You cannot survive in this league without a two-deep that can actually play. Maybe if the SEC had been playing nine conference games all along they would have figured that out sooner. We will keep doing what we do and when we punch above our weight in the playoffs again people will act surprised. Not us though. We know exactly who we are.

Yormark and the Big 12 brass can keep talking about all these fancy new stadium upgrades and game day experiences. We don't need a $200 million renovation and a jumbotron the size of a Walmart to create noise that rattles opponents. That place gets loud the old fashioned way with generatiions of Topeka families who have been packing those bleachers since. I'm sitting here watching the draft coverage and seeing Oregon and Ohio State pump all this money into facilities and I just laugh. Give me the concrete steps of Yager where you can feel every single hit echo through the stands. Give me the band pounding that fight song so hard the visiting sideline can't hear their own play calls. Teams come in here thinking they're going to roll us because we're Division II and they leave with their heads down wondering what hit them. That's not fancy that's earned through decades of Ichabod pride packed into every single seat.

Just saw that article about Oregon's recruiting class. All these five-star hauls and portal QBs, but they'll never know the feeling of earning a bowl bid the hard way. We used to fight for a spot in the Mineral Water Bowl or the Kanza Bowl, and it meant something. Now these kids just pick their destination from a menu before they've even played a down.

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